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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.03.16 03:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/03/2010 03:42:01
 Originally by: "random people"
My HAC pwns BCs
While flying the Hurricane:
Solo deaths to HACs: 0
Solo deaths to recons: 1 (close call, but meh, shield cane is not meant to kill Pilgrims)
Solo kills of HACs: 19 plus three Vagas ransomed
Solo kills of recons: 8 (ok, one was in a Rupture)
Sadly it is very rare for a solo HAC, even a Vagabond, to engage a solo BC for some reason, particularly after the nano age unfortunately ended and HAC pilots collectively lost their balls.
They are good for sniping where they outdo BCs or when you expect to run away a lot.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.03.16 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/03/2010 07:32:11
Originally by: Wieting Foyu
My pretty lil deimos of 2yrs finally died to a rook/sac duo. It has beaten numerous bc and under classes solo. 2 battleships (hyperion, domi) in that time as well. When in fleets, the deimos gets the top damage most of the time. Not to mention how many times I was able to run away when I knew I was on the losing end.
It would come down to skills (trained and raw intelligence) to which is better. I have no BC skills at all. I went from cruiser to battleship in training. All because I prefer the HAC.
Proof or STFU....
http://foyu.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=102352
Yeah, you killed a Dominix piloted by a noob and completely failfit. That's one of your only solo kills with a Diemost. You have 0 solo kills of PVP fit BCs, according to your killboard. All of your kills are in gangs where you outnumber people or attacking someone who's already engaged with sentries which makes it fairly trivial.
Besides, with 80 kills in 2 years you're hardly the PVP guru who has a place offering advice.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.03.16 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/03/2010 09:00:30
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/03/2010 09:00:15
Originally by: Wieting Foyu
80 kills 30 deaths (including 11 indies caught in gate camps) in 2 years isn't bad for someone that is a trader living in low sec and thinks alts are for losers. Not a pirate or pvp player just saying its all on the pilot, any ship is good if you want it to be, not just a paper beats rock scenario.
Well, that is okay, but in reality some ships are just more powerful (on paper). Sure, there are lots of pilots who fly ships to less then their max potential (and this applies to a ton of BC pilots, since BCs are relatively easy to skill into), but you can do amazing things with some of the BCs, much crazier then what a Diemost could hope to achieve.
When you compare it to other HACs, its not so stellar either, with it winning on DPS somewhat but with a lot of downsides to compensate, and again you can get higher DPS out of many BCs and if you really want a T2 ship, CS are a viable alternative for close range DPS with high resists for RRing and so on, and they're not that much more expensive then HACs (~70%) while hugely outdoing them in everything bar mobility. The good HACs are ones which do things BCs cannot replicate.
This is in short why Diemost gets a lot of criticism.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok
Edited by: Darthewok on 16/03/2010 10:40:48
FIX INSURANCE!!!
Insurance isn't really the problem here (and boosting T2 insurance has negative side-effects). If you look at it, HACs became significantly more expensive after that moon mineral exploit was fixed. Which means the problem is probably in low moon mineral supply, since T2 prices practically never recovered after that.
Increase supply of materials and end prices will drop, which would be nice. I don't think the current prices make sense, really.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok
not sure whether CCP has some kind of formula or internal economic rationale with what should be the right price relationship between T1 and T2
I don't think they do, to be honest. If they had a pressing desire to maintain a certain price level they could manipulate the prices easily by just adjusting materials per cycle and possibly invention efficiency if that would become a bottleneck.
I don't see anything happening without T2 pilots starting massive threadnaughts, the usual way of letting CCP know you want yourself buffed. 
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.03.29 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: KA StarLifter
The people who complain that a cruiser-based hull, such as the HACs I fly and kill them with, should not be able to solo Battleships are just cry-babies who don't understand the mechanics of the game.
You do not understand this thread, since nobody is saying anything even remotely similar to that. The thread is about complaining how HACs are too expensive for what they provide.
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Cpt Branko
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Posted - 2010.03.29 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: El Mauru
I'm suprised nobody mentioned locking speed yet.
The HAC gang gets 1-3 volleys of free dps before any BC gang can even apply its own, let alone properly tackle the target.
What are these guns with 0.5s rof?
I find a BC locks cruiser-sized targets pretty damn fast with sig analysis V and leadership V.
The only HAC gang which will really roll over a BC gang with equal support on both sides is a sniper HAC gang since they can simply outrange every BC. If you pit short/mid-range HACs vs BCs which know how to properly fit and fly their ships for BC gangs you will certainly get losses, who will win is really debatable.
The single biggest advantage of HACs BCs cannot replicate is range.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.05 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/04/2010 09:25:00
Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: devilator
.The munnin sniper fit can hit out to 104km and 1 volley frigates or destroyers. Hurricans cant even fathom that range .
Even though I am of the position that HACS are far superior to BC's, this is wrong, it is a simple task to fit a Cane for 110km sniping with a decent buffer shield tank, even more if you gimp the tank a little it is also a simple task to fit a munnin for 140km+ also with a buffer and more by gimping the buffer.
Maybe you are not aware that he can perma run his vaga at 2794 m/s.
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